Here's my take on the whole thing...from a noob perspective...

If a corp or alliance wants to blanket wardec tons of other alliances and corps to make a target rich environment, then that is their choice. No reason to get mad or say the mechanic is broken. They spent their isk and its on them. BUT, without paying attention and doing the Intel to see which corps are worth war deccing, they have to accept the consequences. Small industrial corps are pvping back, but not with guns. They lol at you by dropping the corp and letting your isk go to waste. Like so many people on this forum and others have said...there's more than one way to PvP.

If you want to go to war, do a little homework and see who is worth going to war with.

Player corps need more incentive to join, or even exist in the first place, I agree 100% with Dave on that.

Here's a thought I just had that will probably not be very popular, but read it through.

What if a player corp that achieved 20 people or more was given access to their own 'deep space' pocket that nobody outside of the corp could access. This would prevent alt trips to get stuff for them - nothing outside of their own corp will have access. They would have their own station there for storing and docking, but no station services, not one. There would be zero market access, not even a regional market. When you opened the market, there would be nothing in there. This would keep players from being able to just sit out there forever and avoid everything. There would be zero content there except for their station, and the content they created themselves.

It could be attached to a solar system via an acceleration gate that generates upon a player request when they are in that system, just like accelerates generate when you hit 'accept' on a mission. There would be some kind of UI for it as well, perhaps in the people and places menu. The advantage for them, of course, is that if they get wardecced, they can literally disappear from local in that system and dock up in complete safety, IF they can evade their attackers. Additionally, they themselves would have no access to local for the system they are attached to. It'll be like a tiny wormhole system, but without the system. Essentially, a very deep safe completely disconnected from the rest of EVE with a two-way mirror in between. They would have a place to store their stuff, which of course could still be vulnerable to corp thieves/awoxers etc.

I admit, it's not well thought out, I'm just throwing something out there. I'm literally winging this whole idea. Sure, there should be no perfect safety in the game ever, but there already is right now, to be perfectly honest. If you can just drop corp to avoid wardecs in highsec, then you are virtually untouchable. Something like this MIGHT give players more reason to band together, kinda like an exclusive gift for being part of a club. I don't know.

As it is, the only thing keeping corps together in highsec is POS's and POCOs really. There's very little real community beyond CODE and some of the highsec merc alliances.

I think wardeccs are working as designed. People who want to be part of 15+ member corps where its a pain to disband and reform learn to work together and fight off the wardecs. People like me who don't want to pay the excessive NPC corp taxes, and are not looking for PvP without CONCORD assistance in highsec quite rightfully disband and reform the corp when wardecced. Smart wardeccers learn to not wardecc 1 man corps. Any change would just lead to us 1 man shops docking up and playing on alts. My corp has no life to it, its just a shell, I suffer no consequences if it goes dormant for 24 hours while I play on my alts. If anything steps need to be taken against the mass wardeccers just looking to massacre new players, not against the 1 man corps which are working great.

"But the surrender system!" Is not a very thought out argument. Wardec corps will then just use blanket deccing to extort small Indy corps with no risk to themselves.

Over and over again on these forums people scream and holler about how EVE is a game of decisions and consequences, and that players need to deal with the mechanics (especially when people complain about ganking), well it works the other way too. Deal with the mechanics, don't be a derp when selecting targets, and don't get pissed when you lose a bunch of targets because you didn't think it out.

Arguments from all sides are getting repetitive and played out. Its real simple to deal with the current mechanics if you want to wardec....spend a few seconds to pick your targets. Its easy. Why should the deccers have it easy where they can blanket 60 industrial corps without having to think about it and then punishing people for not wanting to play their way? "But the surrender system!" Is not a very thought out argument. Wardec corps will then just use blanket deccing to extort small Indy corps with no risk to themselves.

Over and over again on these forums people scream and holler about how EVE is a game of decisions and consequences, and that players need to deal with the mechanics (especially when people complain about ganking), well it works the other way too. Deal with the mechanics, don't be a derp when selecting targets, and don't get pissed when you lose a bunch of targets because you didn't think it out.

If you dislike the mechanics, file a petition with CCP and let them know why you dislike them, then our overlords can take your opinion into account without all the flaming and side arguments generated by some random forum. And if they decide to change it...THEN you can flame at the people who who whine about it.

That really is the problem - the has to be a way for people to end a wardec on their own terms. At the present time, the Dec Dodge is the only way to do that because the surrender isn't enforceable. Even if it was made enforceable, there has to be a mechanic in place to keep it from being abused, which is going to lead to the one thing CCP is never very good at - trying to anticipate what the players are going to do with a given mechanic (and listening to us when we tell them how their idea will be abused to hell and back).

Dec Dodging may not be the ideal solution, but at present, it may be the best one available. Sometimes you don't get a good solution - sometimes you have to live with the one that's least bad. This may be one of those cases.

It will be an exploit when CCP says it is an exploit...until then it's not.

What if they/he/she can't pay?

What's your next course of action?

I'm not going to ask you for a citation on this because I know there isn't one. The surrender mechanic says, to me, that they could be taking them in a certain direction, much like tiericide and other gradual developments in EVE. Who knows, maybe it's on their list of things to do already.

4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
Not an exploit. Players are free to close and recreate corporations as they see fit due to the inconveniences usually involved in closing down a corp and the (miniscule) costs of founding a new one.

The existence of the surrender mechanic displays otherwise.

Or how about youbwardec people worth wardeccing and not whine to CCP to fix problems for you?

No matter what bs argument you come up with or no matter what reasons you wardec for, proper target selection to achieve the outcome you want is your responsibly and no one else's.

No matter what bs argument you come up with or no matter what reasons you wardec for, proper target selection to achieve the outcome you want is your responsibly and no one else's.

Actually you are wrong.

A corp. is no different to a guild, being in an npc corp. is nothing like being in a corp./guild.

This coming from someone who makes a habit of calling those that avoid PVP "cowards".

Before making these "e-bushido" comments, you may also want to clear your signature so that the hypocrisy doesn't shine so bright.

coward
[kou-erd]

noun
1.
a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.

adjective
2.
lacking courage; very fearful or timid.

If the aggressor can't read or won't spend three to five minutes reading for a weeklong war, then why should the defender give a damn about it? Why is it worth the defenders time to fight someone who probably doesn't even remember who they are war with.

When exactly was it declared that basic game mechanics are a privilege to earn?

Why do you 'deserve' to play EVE? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to fly a ship? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to undock from a station? Why do you 'deserve' to be able to fit modules?

Get over yourself. Disbands aren't done out of fear or intimidation, they are done with people laughing on comms at the aggressors who were stupid enough to wardec a three person corp with no assets and expect something out of it.

And to the hi sec wardec corps that understand the risk of small corps dodging and do it anyway but don't complain....hats off to you. Creating content isn't bad at all.

I'm having problems containing my lols at this statement. That's like saying...water is too wet or air is too breathable. And as for the health of the game...who's game? Your game? Game seems fairly healthy to me. I'm sure the guys playing in high sec because they choose not to play in null sec feel its healthy too. Maybe you should get out of "Hold My Hand Land" if that's not how you want to play, and go play in one of the other two areas CCP created for you.

Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.

You must have just gotten to the forums tonight. Actually, someone did not too long ago post a thread demanding the removal of PVP from high sec. This is what the gradual disintegration of PVP integrity in EVE is coming to, and the more CCP panders to the demands of the carebears, the more demands the carebear makes.

As a result, I'm forced to change my own position on the matter. To prevent the pansification of EVE and the nullification of the PVP'er, I stand firmly against rolling corps for the sake of dec dodging. If you can't learn to pew pew, even if just to defend yourself, then you bring it on yourself.

#DeleteTheWeak

Think if we stay off topic long enough we can get this thread locked and all move on and argue other things we don't have control over?

I hope you like 6'4" hairy dudes...

There is no earn. My entitlement to play this game how I want comes when I pay my sub. When you pay my sub then you can tell me how to play my game.

I'm not going to ask you for a citation on this because I know there isn't one. The surrender mechanic says, to me, that they could be taking them in a certain direction, much like tiericide and other gradual developments in EVE. Who knows, maybe it's on their list of things to do already.

4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
Not an exploit. Players are free to close and recreate corporations as they see fit due to the inconveniences usually involved in closing down a corp and the (miniscule) costs of founding a new one.

The existence of the surrender mechanic displays otherwise.

IMO you're just covering up RMT...

You're right, they don't want any part of it. But it can also be an opportunity for that little one man corp. What if he logs in and sees the wardec and says "badass dude, let's do this"?

I agree he should have the right to fold shop, but I also agree the aggressor can dec him for whatever reason they want. You ever think that mass wardecs along with dodging can actually work together? (I just thought of this so bear with me...)

Say a corp decs 50 other corps and 35 of them dodge, 3 are just afk with a super long skill, 6 decide to actively fight, 5 try to dodge using actual tactics, and 1 corp decides to give it a try because they thought they wouldn't get the opportunity to pvp and find out they love it.

The cost may suck for the aggressor, but in the long run that was isk well spent because now there is another corp wanting to play the game as it was intended....by blowing each other up.

I guess what I meant with that post before I rambled...is don't be an asshat to pvpers because honestly they are doing it right. If you spend all your time shooting little red crosses and stressing over isk/hour... You're failing.

Can't we just stop the forum bullshit and attack him ingame instead?

Oh and someone remind me to get him banned from BU ......

There's good and bad guys in EVE? Could have fooled me. You keep calling people miserable and stuff like that. I really hope that is some kind of weird rp attitude, otherwise you are insulting all the people with guns.

You usually don't want to make the people with the guns angry...